Final Bit Of DW Stuffage...

[fangrrl_squees]

Journey's End

(aka)

Timelords As Chickenshit Cowards Who Can't Say Goodbye.

Grr...

Okay, I should admit that I loved the episode, in a way, but it simultaneously pissed me off. More when I've untangled it from some bad shit that occurred in my dreams last night, coincidentally enough.

PS - yeah, way to dump the clingy girlfriend: clone yourself...

Comments

[kaffy_r]

I loved and hated it in equal measure. No, wait. I may have hated it more. I'm glad for Rose, yes I am, I'm not ashamed to say it. But I will, in fact, hunt Ten down and bitchslap him on Donna's behalf. Failing that, I'll hunt RTD down and do the same.

[fangrrl-squees.livejournal.com]

Do it to RTD. Unless you, y'know, get Tennant agree to let you tie him down and wear a dog collar first and... um, I gotta lie down for a minute...

[kaffy_r]

Goodness gracious! Well, I can certainly switch the tracking devices to RTD, and I will leave Tennant to your tender mercies, as my tastes run a little more to rangy, loose-limbed and ice-blue-eyed northerners with a fine eye for leather jackets.

[fangrrl-squees.livejournal.com]

Alrighty then!

'Tis so nice when one can come to an agreement with friends. ;)

[kaffy_r]

Heh. Indeed ... [/Teal'c]

[jigglykat.livejournal.com]

I liked PARTS of the episode. Like everyone in the TARDIS.

But yeah. I didn't like how Rose had her choice removed AGAIN, and I *CERTAINLY* did not like what happened to Donna. It actually made me a little glad that we're only having specials next year.

I think the thing that gets me with Donna is... yes, she's alive. Yes, she has the potential to be awesome!Donna again. But as a viewer, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THAT. So all we're left with is Donna gabbing on the phone and ignoring the Doctor.

[fangrrl-squees.livejournal.com]

But as a viewer, WE'RE NOT GOING TO SEE THAT. So all we're left with is Donna gabbing on the phone and ignoring the Doctor.

I utterly agree. Maybe Torchwood can untangle things for her? ;)

Someone on my f-list, I forget who (dammit) posted a long, but well-reasoned rant about how spending time with the Doctor usually *improves* a companion and, for a while, Rose *was* (ie, during her time with the Ninth Doctor) but then she was taken out at the knees (emotionally) and how bloody annoying is that?

I think we can add Donna to that rant now, too.

[jigglykat.livejournal.com]

Even a mention in Torchwood would be fabulous. A phone call with Wilf (or even a meeting with Wilf!) and him telling Jack that Donna is doing something more worthwhile with her life. If that happened, then I will feel a little better.

Someone on my f-list, I forget who (dammit) posted a long, but well-reasoned rant about how spending time with the Doctor usually *improves* a companion and, for a while, Rose *was* (ie, during her time with the Ninth Doctor) but then she was taken out at the knees (emotionally) and how bloody annoying is that?

Oh, yes, definitely! In "Turn Left", I sort of liked that Rose had become this mysterious person that wouldn't give her name. She was acting very Doctorish because one would assume she had taken up the role in the alt!universe because there wasn't anyone there to defend it. So for a while, I thought that she would have matured and after the adventure, asked the Doctor to take her back home. It would have been her choice to leave.

But noooooo, nothing ever happens the way we want! She went from mysterious!person to making a semi-snarky comment at Martha's expense (in "The Stolen Earth") to clingy!girlfriend left behind crying on a beach... AGAIN. At least, she, Martha and the Doctor had a giant group hug in "Journey's End" which made me SO incredibly happy. But yeah. I wished that they had shown that Rose *had* grown up in her time apart from the Doctor, but some things never change. *sigh* Oh well.

(I haven't properly vented about "Journey's End", only in minor outbursts in comments and to friends in real life).

[fangrrl-squees.livejournal.com]

Indeed, handing Rose a mini!Doctor (or whatever) nicely undermines whatever work she might have been doing in that parallel 'verse (in, as you say, that 'as there's no Doctor, it's going to be me' sort of way).

"Good job, Rose, in helping save the universes but, gosh, you'd do a MUCH better job if you had a faux-Doctor with you (because you're, y'know, *just* a companion and a girly one at that and everyone knows that widdle girls can't do things on their own)..." and, okay, I'm *really* exagerrating there, to make the point. But you know what I mean, right?

Leaving Rose on her own in the parallel 'verse, knowing that she would continue fighting the good fight as needed would have left me with a much better opinion of matters - and of Rose.

But, hey, kudos to her for breaching the universal-barrier because she was trying to save countless worlds, not because she wanted to be with her One Twue Wuv again - although it can't be denied that being with him probably helped motivate things just a tad. Imagine what it would have been like had she gone to all that effort - and found out that he had (properly) regenerated in the meantime. "Oh. You've... um... Never mind."

[jigglykat.livejournal.com]

Leaving Rose on her own in the parallel 'verse, knowing that she would continue fighting the good fight as needed would have left me with a much better opinion of matters - and of Rose.

Yes! I don't even mind the whole Hand!Doctor aspect of it either. Even he didn't get a choice in the matter! "Fix him"? Right, because the Time Lord!Doctor is such a picture of health. *rolls eyes* Absolutely picture-perfect when the last shot of him for the season is sitting in his TARDIS alone... a TARDIS that had been FILLED with his friends/family only a little while before... in a soaking wet shirt and looking as though he's about to off himself. I'm getting a little tired of the Lonely God-ness.

I just wanted proper closure. I wanted the Doctor to say "good-bye", but as you said, he's too much of a chicken-shit. You can never tell the future with this show, but as Rose got two "endings", I don't think she's going to show up again. So I'm still sort of left here feeling empty with her story when it started out so awesome.

[fangrrl-squees.livejournal.com]

Indeed, Rose's story was amazing... at first.

Drat.

Oh well, no-one can make all of the fans happy all of the time. I keep that in mind when I get a bit overwrought about it all. ;)