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Oh, thank you very fucking much RTD et al, for co-opting the old school theme in The Sound of Drums. I wouldn't have noticed if I hadn't succumbed to the temptation to watch The Keeper of Traken immediately afterwards - then it all became painfully apparent. Bloody hell!

Short version: The Sound of Drums was made of awesome.

The long version: I've noticed a lot of love/hate reactions to TSOD. I'm willing to put money down on the theory that those who are hating it are new-school fans, whereas those folks who are rolling around shrieking with laughter are old-school fans.

Newsflash, kids: The Master is supposed to be over the top. Deal with it. If you can't, you're watching the wrong show.

I, for one, completely dig Harold Saxon and I don't mind the slightly-zany insanity one jot. If you're going to be a Time Lord bent on galactic domination, you're probably crazy - very crazy, in fact. I loved every bit it of, especially the bits that clearly had the slashficcers running for their keyboards.

The jellybaby moment almost killed me. Fanwank, yes, but hilarious.

I really, really loved the dialogue between the Master and the Doctor via celphone. It's a challenge to build tension between two characters who aren't sharing the screen, but the crew really pulled it off. I was climbing the walls and pretty much squeeing uncontrollaby, at that point.

And, oh dear god, am I happy that the Master (apparently) isn't the Doctor's brother. Whew. That would have been too fanwanky.

Whilst Martha, once again, didn't have much to do I very much appreciated the "It's all your fault!" moment. You tell 'im!

The club-music break at the very end of the eps was a bit jarring but fuckit, I forgive 'em. In fact I, er, kinda liked the tune. ~~Is it downloadable?~~ Never mind. Got it.

I'd say more, but my head is full of Jack/Master/Ten slash, sorry 'bout that. I'm only human, you know...

Needless to say, I intend to make a Saxon campaign shirt or two... ;)

Edited to add: okay, the riff is from the theme tune, period, but it just seemed that much more obvious with the old-school tune.

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Jack/Master/Ten slash!!!!! OOOOHHHHH!!!!!

And yeah, the people complaining about the OTTness of the Master obviously haven't seen the old series or the movie. Crazy peeps.

*raises her hand as an Old School Who fan who really loved this episode*

I haven't been able to stop making icons from it.

I even wrote FIC inspired by it. (http://community.livejournal.com/saxonvoters/14192.html) It's bizarre! I consume fic! I don't write it! Yet here I am doing it. Master/Martha. I think I'm going to the special Hell.

I think I'm going to the special Hell.

I'll see you there, then. I think they've got an entire wing named for me, already. ;)

PS. Read the fic - very nice, although I usually shy away from stuff written in the present tense, but I think you pulled it off. ;)

Thanks! *blushes* I'm a novice at the whole fanfic writing bit.

I think in retrospect, I should've written it in past tense, since that's easier for me to write in (I'm still catching mistakes), but I write by stringing phrases or sentences I like together. When I had a bunch that seemed to go well, they were all very immediate, present-tense bits. Heh. I need to learn to whip my fic into submission.

I'm not old-school Who but I loved how over the top the Master was. He was fabulous and so obviously insane it was fun. And that wife of his is just as nutty.

The moment when the Doctor walks away after giving Martha and Jack the keys, talking about someone not noticing you, and the exchange between Jack and Martha was classic.

And then:
"We only have each other"
"Are you asking me out on a date?"

OMG. You can't tell me that Russel Davies doesn't know what the fan community is writing...

*grins* As I've said elsewhere, I think RTD and Julie Gardner have a bet on as to how far they can push things before the Beeb says "Er, did we ask for Queer as Timelords?" :)

Hey, we've got the precedent for a spin-off series.. *hopeful!* XD

The amount of subtext in Doctor Who is pretty impressive. Torchwood is blatant about the sex, but I found that the bits that got the fans most worked up was the subtext-y bits (stopwatch, anyone?). Well, that and the whole Ianto-snogfest.

It's the subtext that the fans mine for every grain of porny goodness.

As several someones have mentioned here and there on the web, there's nothing subtle in the dynamic between The Master and The Doctor. I'm inclined to agree (and dear gods, it's good silly fun)

And, on a tangent, whilst I cheered the Jack/Ianto snogfest moment in the show, just because I love me the tasty boys, the fact of the relationhip annoyed the hell out of me because it, y'know, came out of left field. Ianto goes from all emo and "I want you to suffer" etc, etc, to flirting over the DB of a co-worker with the boss? WTF? That's some pretty serious rebound!

I created my own meta to explain it, but that doesn't negate the fact that that particular relationship was symptomatic of how Torchwood lurched along without any coherent theme or continuity and I"m going to stop now before I start ranting...

The Master kills me, and kills me good. All that OTTness means great icons, if nothing else. ;)

My impression of the club music was that it was something the Master was pumping for himself. His wife was grooving to it, and it ends when he flicks a switch, so I just put it down to crazy Time Lordin'. I would have liked if the song had the same dun-dun-dun-dun-pause rhythym, but ah well.

The "like you fancy someone and they don't know you exist" bit slayed me. I think the "You, too?" was supposed to be taken as following in Rose's footsteps (to the casual viewer), but I'm allll about the Jack/Doctor UST. Yesssss.

I want to know what the wife is getting out of all of this. "I made my choice." "You said Archangel was 100%." "How much time have we got?" The reporter lady said her background checked out, but there's something going on there.

Okay, so RTD says he thought of bringing back the Master 8-9 months ago (as of the recording of the confidential). We know he was planting Vote for Saxon signs in Torchwood.. is this whole debacle what will Change Everything in the twenty-first century?

*watches ep for the ~~third~~ fourth time today*

Just because it made me snigger..

Q. What are Harold Saxon's plans for the National Health Service?
A. The present shortage of doctors and medical students is certainly high on Harold Saxon's agenda.

I think the "You, too?" was supposed to be taken as following in Rose's footsteps

*grins* Why does it have to be either/or? I, of course, am convinced that Jack's been carrying a torch for the Doctor for quite some time. ;)

is this whole debacle what will Change Everything in the twenty-first century?

And I agree with you, it's not clear what Mrs. Saxon is getting out of this - unless she's, y'know, as bugnuts as he is and I get the impression she is - along with the fact that she's *apparently* not smart enough to pose any sort of threat to the Master, himself.

Hm. Could be... I just thought that was a bit of melodramatic flavor text for the sake of the show's premise, honestly...

I, of course, am convinced that Jack's been carrying a torch for the Doctor for quite some time. ;)

Hell, yeah. The kiss he planted on #9, the look on his face at the end of TPOTW when he missed the TARDIS leaving, all the "certain kind of doctor" comments in S1 of Torchwood (which I think were not just his desire to have The Doc explain WTF happened to him).

it's not clear what Mrs. Saxon is getting out of this

I've been wondering that, too. She could be just as looney. What kind of bill of goods has he sold her?

What kind of bill of goods has he sold her?

I suspect it's a combination of her being not too bright, blatantly opportunistic and, yes, just a wee bit bugnuts, herself...

I bet he helped her get rid of her father.

*grins* Y'think?

(see: recent ficcage)

I really liked the old subtle, urbane Master who only showed his insanity when he was pushed over the edge, but the thumbs-up answer to "You're insane!" just got me. Absolutely bat-shit crazy, and maybe, just maybe, totally not loving it. This Master is a burning ball of "Fuck you! Fuck you all!"

I loved the bomb. Sticks of dynamite, labeled "dynamite" with a digital timer. The Magpie Electronics TV was even better, though.

And maybe, just maybe, totally not loving it

I agree with you on that. The way he sounded when he was telling the Doctor about the sound of drums... His tone didn't strike me aa a 'hooray I'm insane!' sort of thing.

That's not to say he's not having *some* fun, occasionally, in the midst of the nastiness, because even when he was all urbane'n'stuff, the Master was still a sadistic, egomaniacal fuckhead, but that's just making lemonade out of lemons...

that those who are hating it are new-school fans, whereas those folks who are rolling around shrieking with laughter are old-school fans.

I noticed it the other way around :O Maybe it's different with german fans O.o but all the old school fans on the german Dr. Who forum are a bit ... not so exited? I dunno... They really hated the fast pace and the crazyness of the Master and yadda yadda yadda ....

I love the Master! And all his over-the-topness. I think it's awesome and it correalates wonderfully to the tenth doctor.

. In fact I, er, kinda liked the tune.

Baby baby baby *dances*

So much good stuff. Loved the Master watching the Teletubbies- brings back his pleasure at watching the Clangers during "The Seas Devils".

As for his manic energy, hell, I miss Roger Delgado's sinister gentility, but this Master is batshit insane on a completely different level. And it's not surprising, given what he's been through in his life. Add all of that to survivor's guilt and the knowledge that while he ran, the Doctor stayed, and one can see exactly why he's become a big burning ball of tear it all down. I love the fact that he's having fun doing it. Doesn't anyone remember how manic the Ninth Doctor could be? Having the Master pipe in dance music for his victory? Priceless.

And oh, Gallifrey! I've missed you. Bit narked that "Lungbarrow" has been at least partly invalidated, but hey, its a price worth paying. I squeed (manfully) when we saw those big collars and the Citadel.

Now, does anyone think it's a coincidence that the Toclafane sound exactly like the Gelth?

Add all of that to survivor's guilt and the knowledge that while he ran, the Doctor stayed

Indeed! And seconded on the 'he's batshit insane' bit...

I squeed (manfully) when we saw those big collars and the Citadel.

I wasn't at all manful about it. :)

does anyone think it's a coincidence that the Toclafane sound exactly like the Gelth?

That's it! Thank you! I was trying to remember what they reminded me of!

Yes yes yes!! So many moments of awesome! Simm played the insanity just right - my favorite moment was probably the one in this comment's icon. And RTD showed he's fully aware of fandom - the notSubtext on the phone ("Are you asking me out on a date?"), slamming shut years and years of the brothers rumor. And we're left wondering how Martha and possibly her ditzy younger brother are going to save the world. I'm a happy fanboy. :-)

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